Can i roll roth ira into 401k

Dear Carrie,

I'm 56 and have both a traditional and a Roth 401(k). Right now, I contribute the maximum to my Roth each year. I plan to roll the Roth 401(k) into a Roth IRA before 72 to avoid having to take an RMD. Two questions: Do I need to open a Roth IRA five years prior to the rollover to meet the 5-year rule? And can I contribute to a Roth IRA even though I max out my Roth 401(k)? 

—A Reader

Dear Reader,

I rarely get questions regarding a Roth 401(k) rollover, but as this type of retirement plan becomes more widely available, I'm sure more and more people will be looking for similar answers. So thanks for asking. 

I think you're right on target with your basic idea. With a Roth 401(k)—unlike a Roth IRA—you must take a required minimum distribution (RMD) beginning at age 72 (for those born on or after July 1, 1949) if you're retired. So the idea of rolling your Roth 401(k) money into a Roth IRA before that magic age can make a lot of sense. With your money in a Roth IRA, rather than being required to take a certain amount out of your retirement savings each year, you can choose how much, when—or if ever—you want to make withdrawals.  

But as you suggest, there are certain things you need to be aware of to make sure you can take full advantage of all the Roth IRA benefits. 

Digging into the 5-year rule

One of the key benefits of a Roth IRA or Roth 401(k) is that, while contributions aren't tax-deductible, both contributions and earnings can be withdrawn tax and penalty free once you reach age 59 1/2. (Note that Roth 401(k)s may have additional rules around withdrawals.) That can make a huge difference in your tax liability during retirement. There's only one catch: To get this total tax-free benefit, either type of Roth account has to be open for five years. The clock starts ticking January 1st of the year you make your first contribution. 

That seems fairly straightforward. However, what most people might not realize is that when you rollover a Roth 401(k) to a Roth IRA, the clock may be reset. Because in this case, it's the timing of the Roth IRA that counts. 

For example, let's say you've had a Roth 401(k) for 10 years and you've also had a Roth IRA for five years. If you roll your Roth 401(k) into your Roth IRA, there's no problem. You've met the 5-year rule. But now let's say you've only had your Roth IRA for three years. Even though your Roth 401(k) meets the 5-year rule and then some, if you roll it into your three-year-old Roth IRA, you'd have to wait another two years before you could withdraw earnings tax free (although, as with any Roth account, you could withdraw your contributions tax free at any time). 

So to answer your first question, yes, it could make sense to open a Roth IRA at least five years before you plan to rollover your Roth 401(k). However, it's not enough to open it. You have to make a contribution for the five-year time period to start. The problem is that not everyone is eligible to do so.

The ins and outs of opening and contributing to a Roth IRA

The easy answer to your second question is again, yes, you can potentially contribute to a Roth IRA even if you contribute the yearly maximum to a 401(k). In fact, it's an ideal retirement savings scenario to contribute the maximum to both. And it's something I highly recommend if you can afford it. 

For 2022, you can contribute up to $20,500 to a 401(k) with a $6,500 catch up if you're 50 or over. You can contribute up to $6,000 to a Roth IRA with a $1,000 catch up for those 50 or over. Together, that's a sizeable savings.

So on the surface, it would appear you're good to go. However, although there are no income limits for contributing to a Roth 401(k), there are yearly income limits for contributing to a Roth IRA, and that could throw a wrench in your plan. For 2022, if your adjusted gross income (AGI) is $144,000 or over for single filers ($214,000 or over for married filing joint) you won't be eligible to make a Roth IRA contribution.

A possible backdoor solution

There is a possible solution in what's called a "backdoor Roth." Currently, it's possible to convert a traditional IRA to a Roth IRA even if you're above the income limits (although the law allowing this could change in the future). Basically, you first open a traditional IRA and make a contribution. There are no income limits for making a contribution to a traditional IRA, but you may not be able to deduct the amount. 

You then convert that IRA to a Roth. You'd have to pay income taxes on any deductible contributions and earnings converted to the Roth, but from then on, you'd enjoy the tax-free benefits. This works well if you've never had a traditional IRA before. However, if you have an existing IRA, the distribution rules get more complicated.

If this is something you think might work for you, I recommend talking to a financial or tax advisor before taking action.

Some additional considerations

You say you're contributing the maximum to your Roth 401(k), but you may want to consider splitting your contribution between your traditional 401(k) and your Roth 401(k). This provides a bit of tax diversification, giving you a tax deduction now as well as tax-free withdrawals later. And the tax deduction might also have a side benefit of lowering your AGI, possibly making you eligible for a Roth IRA. It's all worth some consideration. Your financial or tax advisor can help you figure out what's best for you.

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